I also liked your story about the popsickle. I thought it was great, and that it kind of contrasted with most of your other interactions I’ve seen posted, where I think that you asked a lot of questions. If I’d been on the ball there, When you got the “wow” reaction, I’m sure there was a window there that you could have jumped through somehow.

Here’s my main point though: I used to sometimes feel a bit angry at Wayne when my SOIs were going down badly, but I don’t think that that is appropriate really. The only reason that I can think of to legitimately get angry at Wayne is if you think that he is being dishonest or trying to take advantage of someone. I don’t believe that he is doing either of those things. On the contrary, I believe that he is giving the best advice that he can (and by far the best advice I’ve seen out there IMO), and that you and I are not even paying for it. We are free to forge our own path if we don’t agree with what’s being recommended here.

Personally, i love trying to figure this stuff out, and I really appreciate that Wayne devotes himself to this whole Charisma/dating topic, regardless of the accuracy of what’s being taught. Everything is a progression IMO.

If somebody has a theory and it turns out to be untrue, it’s still great that they came up with the theory and spent that time thinking about it, especially when they are sharing that theory freely IMHO.

I think that it’s good to examine the theory and ask questions, but I feel that the anger is misplaced and unjustified, because I think that Wayne is doing his best.

And in my opiniion, nobody else (that I know of) comes close.

I-perspective is good it has ‘worked’ many times.
The most vivid memory I have is approaching a woman ordering drinks in a near empty bar, and talking about eating orange juice lollies as a kid. How weird it was that I could suck out the juice leaving an ice crystal, and how surely orange juice shouldn’t be water and orange essence but indivisible… something like that.

She said ‘wow’
seemingly thinking this interaction was special.
Then she took her drinks and went back to her friends.

It’s not everything. But it is something.

Totally context dependent, more often then not if craig passed those bitch hard tests in University (in order to get a degree to become an aircraft engineer). So it just means craig made a mistake, before planes get into commercial production they go through the proto-type stages, all weapons and military hardware do when their complexity increases keeping track of the complexity is beyond any one man. I think the analogy is way off, experts make mistakes all the time, they are just better at hiding behind status and bullshit because no one is learned enough to call them on their shit.

“If Craig goes and does a comedy show and no ones laughs, then Craig is a crap comedian.”

Craig is currently a crap comedian, or craig’s audience doesn’t share his humor, i.e. this assumes everyone finds the same stuff funny, but I know what you meant — fairly good analogy here.

“If Craig does an SOI and the woman is embarressed and goes cold, (because she doesn’t want to be hit on), then Craig is a crap uncalibrated PUA.”

Jugglers books say to SOI only AFTER you know she’s interested, that is like the law.. maybe wayne has forgotten but I haven’t.

“Ignoring feedback, IOI, is looney.”

Not really, most thought is unconscious, feelings pass… most peoples values and emotional states are not permanent, like winds on the shifting sands, don’t believe me? count how many women go back to and fuck their ex’s or guys that gave them good sex /w no strings attached… a hell of a lot, I know because I hear earfuls of it daily.

“You get good by looking at their feedback and correcting what you’re doing that causes negative feedback.”

You assume that people live like that, they don’t, the idea that every encounter requires constant feedback adjustment is a half truth, no one behaves entirely based the PUA precise monitoring. While I agree with you in theory and partly in practice (i.e. you can do that). It’s a lot for people to manage, i.e. demands total and complete dedication most people don’t want/have, as they are interested in other things.

“Endless hours of lectures, really worthless”

Not really.. the problem is with lectures not based on videos or things that are done, i.e. half the stuff that should be taught (the hidden cam stuff) is missing.

As for lectures in and of themselves.. they can be enlightening for enhancing understanding after the fact or getting social understanding to the clueless to give them a place to start, the point is not to dogmatize it and worship it.

Concepts act as filters and interpreters of how we see and interpret the world. Your endless hours of lectures statement applies to you and people like you, but it doesn’t apply to everyone (one size doesn’t fit all, but it’s sure to fit some)

“I don’t trust yourself to properly break down what you’re doing.”

I agree… thumbs up from me here.

If Craig goes and does a comedy show and no ones laughs, then Craig is a crap comedian.

If Craig does an SOI and the woman is embarressed and goes cold, (because she doesn’t want to be hit on), then Craig is a crap uncalibrated PUA.

Ignoring feedback, IOI, is looney.

You get good by looking at their feedback and correcting what you’re doing that causes negative feedback.
Throwing up your hands to how they respond, that’s surrender to always being rubbish, tragic really.

Endless hours of lectures, really worthless because the techniques I apply them infield and they rarely work (yes I use IOIs and lays to judge their efficacy). I want to see footage of them working because I don’t trust yourself to properly break down what you’re doing. Because it can’t be what you’re trying to teach, cos’ I don’t beleive you go round making girls uncomfortable and embarressed, and blowing yourself out, and making them feel spurned for their compliments.

JM0.0 used to draw the women to you (when you wanted to be considered an artist) and now as a teacher, with SOIs, you teach men to hit on women. I want the old Juggler, but with full disclosure. I’m sure it works better than JM2.x

I enjoyed reading your comments, what is your nickname on the forum?

Pieter

You missed the point completely, they are not trying to intentionally control the actions of others, not only this, this assumes that your perspective is actually the better of the two, and that people are actually “correct”. They are trying to figure out a way to interact against the unconscious prejudice and lack of emotional and mental fortitude people have against people that are merely different from themselves.

People are prejudice, period, it’s mostly unconscious and they don’t realize it, but they obey it religiously, so I don’t fault them for it because I know it’s the bugs in our biology.

But many people call them dictators, you don’t understand that many of these guys are basically children in terms of social skills, they do not receive the same social information. They do not interpret their socializing the way someone in the 3rd person would.

This all comes from ignorance of how we work…

See below, skip to time 18:22 and watch till 24′ish, or more if you find it interesting.

http://tinyurl.com/564g3c

Guys have problems with girls, because people are fundamentally emotionally and mentally weak, and can’t accept difference biologically. Check out a few books on neurology to get a better picture of human thought, prejudice, thought.

Most people outside of science are still are under the false view of reason.

And I think that the term “libertarian” is clearly used here to mean a person who, rather than wishing to dictate the actions of people, desires to give people liberty to act freely.

Those are completely different, and relevant, psychological perspectives.

Also, no where was it claimed that liberties = a democracy (i.e., mob rule), so your tirade against democracy freedom without restraint is a non-sequitur.

By the way, have you ever noticed that people who are not secure in their understanding of ideas repeat the exact words and phrases of others?

Do you think that those who cannot think, quote? Many do.

I wouldn’t want people to think that of you, so I suggest you start trusting yourself to speak for yourself.

And if you’re on this blog in the first place because you want to be better with women, then the above advice might help with that, too. I mean, who knows, maybe girls actually like guys who trust themselves.